• Bankruptcy Saves Lives and brings peace of mind

    Bankruptcy is about getting you back on your feet and on with your life.

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  • Bankruptcy Saves Lives and brings peace of mind

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Bankruptcy Frequently asked Questions

If I go bankrupt, will my debt go away?

The debt that most people are in trouble with seems to be credit card debt, store card debt, personal loans (unsecured), and in some cases, personal income tax and GST, taxation department debt of some sort that has bounced across to them from their Pty Ltd company, and personal guarantees.

In these cases, despite what some of the debt collectors and debt agreement salespeople will tell you your bankruptcy cancels the debt, you don't have to start paying it again once your 3 years of bankruptcy is finished. A debt collector who recently consulted with me about his own bankruptcy told me that he was told to say that you did, even though he knew it to be wrong.

So with bankruptcy, stop paying it.

Once you've definitely decided to enter into a voluntary bankruptcy, you decide for yourself whether there is any reason to even keep up with your credit card payments and the like, or whether you would rather get up to date with paying the debts that you'll have to keep paying after bankruptcy, like gas, electricity, rent and, If you've been going without, and some people say that they have been, even buy more food.

Sort out your priorities, and start getting yourself back on your feet so that you can get on with your life.

You can expect bankruptcy to cancel your credit cards and store cards. I've known instances where this did not happen when the person going bankrupt did not owe any money on a particular card at the date of bankruptcy and so didn't have to list it as a debt owing.

If that happens, and you continue to use that card after you go bankrupt, make sure that you do not allow your credit balance to then go over the limits of credit that a bankrupt can have. I think that the relevant amount is about $5,447.

Some debt doesn't get cancelled by bankruptcy; you still have to pay it. That's generally debt to Centrelink, child support debt, court imposed fines (you have to had been to court though to get this debt), and some debt associated with HECS and student loans to do with HECS.

Traffic fines are a funny one. They're not cancelled by bankruptcy, because they are also considered to be a court imposed fine, but you can't renew your driver's licence until they are paid.

I'm talking here about unsecured debt, any debt that's secured like a house mortgage and most car loans, if they fall within the category that you can keep, then of course you have to keep paying them if you want to, and can, keep the asset. You'll read more about this further into this website, and in www.bankruptcyandhouses.com.au

If I go bankrupt, how much can I earn and more importantly, how much can I keep? 

Many people think that if they go bankrupt, all or most of their salary or wages will be taken off them to pay their debts. That's simply not true. The government provides you with the capacity to start again, to get back on your feet and so get on with your life.

Some debt collectors and possibly web sites, may tell you that even if you go bankrupt, they (your creditors) will still take you through the courts and garnishee your wages. (Garnisheeing your wages means your employer is ordered to deduct a fair bit from your salary or wages and send it to your creditor(s).

That's absolute garbage, and typical of some of the misinformation that you'll be told by the people harassing you, particularly by the people who you will read about in this web site who I have labelled as "second hand debt salesmen". The debt collectors and creditors and second hand debt salesmen can't, and don't, do it once you've gone bankrupt. If they do, refer this harassment to your bankruptcy trustee. I've known trustees to send the odd persistent debt collector packing with his tail between his legs.

The government have given you the option to go voluntary bankrupt more or less as a last resort, as a humanitarian sort of thing. They expect you to have tried to pay your debts, but they don't understand yet that for many of us, the people chasing and often harassing you, to pay what they claim is your debt, ….(and a lot of the time if you don’t think that it is, chances are you’re right) make it too hard for you to work something affordable and sensible out.

They're trying though, they've now amended a procedure called Declaration of Intention to Present a Debtor's Petition. I can see the theory behind it, I've yet to be convinced that the people that you owe money to will play ball. Too many of them are not the people that you originally thought you owed money to, too often your debt has been on-sold to the second hand debt collectors, and I can't see them changing their mind set. We'll see.

I also think that there should be some government requirement that if our debt has been sold we should be told, in writing, and given an account as to just what our debt is, and who it is claimed we now owe it to, before the harassing calls can start.

As you will read in the Information Notes, the banks and credit card companies who we owed money to have in fact, in some cases, sold your debt for a lesser amount than was owed, to somebody who we don't even know, in full and final payment of your debt as far as the bank or whoever is concerned.

I feel that if we owed somebody say $10,000 and they accepted $1,500 from an unknown (to us) third party in full payment of the debt, then we should be properly informed. To my mind, the question then is, (a) should the credit rating agencies be informed that the debt (of $10,000) has been settled for less, and (b) for how much?

If we were told these things then perhaps there would not be so many bankruptcies, as we could negotiate better with the "second hand debt salesmen" on a practical and fair settlement amount with them.

Also, the obvious question is, if the banks etc were prepared to settle our debt by accepting about 15 cents in the dollar for it from a third party, unknown to us, then why weren't we, the people who owe the money, given the chance to settle it for the same amount, or given longer to pay off the original loan when the wheels fell off for us?

Doesn't seem right does it, doesn't pass the smell test.

From stories that I hear, these people buy your debt for about 15 cents in the dollar, the bank or whoever you owe the money to then writes your debt off and they claim a tax deduction. These second hand debt salesmen then jump on you to pay them 75 cents in the dollar or more, often in a short time frame.

Ned Kelly was in the wrong game, he could have lived to be 100 if he had known about this.

It wouldn't surprise me if the banks and credit card companies had some sort of insurance policy or other arrangement to reimburse them if your credit card debt get's written off by your bankruptcy.

The option to go voluntary bankrupt is designed by the government to give you the chance to start again, debt and harassment free.

Although there are some penalties which I will cover later in this web site, so please read all of the Information Notes, the government has also established some starting points to help you to get going again. One of these starting points is to do with the income that, as a bankrupt, you can earn and keep.

As a bankrupt, with no dependents at all, during the 3 years of your bankruptcy, you can earn on average a minimum, note that it's a minimum of at least $1,040.03 per week net take home pay.
That's cash for you to live on, to spend. It's after tax and after child support if that's applicable. It's after business expenses too if you are able to stay in business whilst bankrupt.

The figure is higher if you've got dependents.

$1,040.03 net per week is the base starting point that you can earn per week before you have to share any of your income with your bankruptcy trustee. It's referred to as your Threshold Amount.
If your net income is higher than the threshold amounts, the trustee can only ask for 50% of the excess. I cover this in Bankruptcy Information Note 1 - Your Income and Bankruptcy Information Note 2 - Your Income and Assets. Please click and read them.

What assets can I keep if I go bankrupt? 

If you're drowning in debt and don't declare yourself voluntarily bankrupt (Bankruptcy Information Note 5 - Bankruptcy Assistance) or take either of the other options discussed in Bankruptcy Information Note 3 - Debt Agreements, then the debt collectors and lawyers could deal with you through the legal system, and eventually have the sheriff take away a lot of your possessions and sell them.

This indignity needn't happen. In the Bankruptcy Information Notes I'll show you how, under what I loosely call "the umbrella of bankruptcy", you can stop it happening.

Most people who go bankrupt hardly ever lose their car, if they want to keep it.  Furniture and ordinary household items and things for the use of students and children are hardly ever at risk either. This is covered in Bankruptcy Information Note 2 - Your Income and Assets.

Tools of trade to the value (2nd hand) of about $3,700 per bankrupt person are safe too, as is an asset held by you in trust for somebody else.

If the house is in your name, somebody else (grandma) may be able to negotiate with the bankruptcy trustee to buy your equity in the house back off the bankruptcy.  If this could be you then set out your circumstances in an email to us at hello@fredappleton.com.au   telling us the names of the people who own the house and are on the mortgage, what you honestly think that the house would sell for today, how much is owed on the mortgage, any arrears in rates, what your incomes are, and things like that. Steve or I will go through your matter with you.

Include your contact telephone number(s).  
Even if the joint owners go bankrupt, there is a capacity for them to buy the house back off their bankrupt estates in some circumstances.  Again, ask Steve about that. 

A bankruptcy trustee does have the power to sell the house though. I cover this in Bankruptcy Information Note 4 - General Bankruptcy Information.   It's also covered in my separate website www.bankruptcyandhouses.com.au
Alternatively, looking at what's called a Debt Agreement , or a Personal Insolvency Agreement, as outlined in Bankruptcy Information Note 3 - Debt Agreements, may save the house.  However, don't be surprised if the creditors want you to sell your house as part of your offer

With bankruptcy you may be able to save the house and lose your ordinary debt thus making it a lot easier. Under a Debt Agreement you may be able to save the house, but you’ll have to continue to pay all of your debt as well.

With bankruptcy you'll also lose things like shares, investments, speedboats and perhaps some money in the bank at the date of your bankruptcy etc, and you can't get many assets in your name for the 3 years of your bankruptcy either.

If you are contemplating bankruptcy and you have these sort of assets, why not sell them before you go bankrupt, and use the funds to help set yourself up for the three years of your bankruptcy, eg, get bills like your rent up to date, your electricity paid, a better fridge, fill the pantry with Weet-Bix, and things like that.

For example, if you are married or live with a partner, and you sold say some shares before bankruptcy, perhaps you could use the proceeds to pay the rent and buy the groceries until the funds had been spent. Don't go bankrupt until you do. Your spouse or partner could just keep their income in the bank in full in that period.

You may prefer to do this rather than pay the debt collectors who harass you day and night, sometimes more than once a day, and even on Sundays. Undue harassment can be counter- productive.

What about my car?

In the real world people rarely lose cars with bankruptcy because mostly the debt on the car is more than the car is worth. In this case I simply advise clients who want to keep their car to have the car loan up to date when they go bankrupt, and to then keep the repayments up to date. I discuss cars and bankruptcy more in Bankruptcy Information Note 2 - Your Income and Assets.

Whether being unable to pay your debts means that you have to go bankrupt.

No, you don't. The alternatives that I deal with in Bankruptcy Information Note 3 - Debt Agreements, mainly the Debt Agreement option and the Personal Insolvency Agreement option, may mean that you don't go bankrupt.

I think that Debt Agreements are really aggressively oversold through the media, and then again when the Debt Agreement salesman becomes involved.

One of the practical problems with Debt Agreements is that they can keep you under pressure to perform, week in and week out. Compared to Debt Agreements, a voluntary bankruptcy is swift and clean.

Can I go overseas if I'm bankrupt?

The short answer is yes. I cover this in Bankruptcy Information Note 5 - Bankruptcy Assistance. The government will want an application fee of $150 so as to start the process.

Can my salary or wages be garnisheed by my creditors while I'm bankrupt?

As you've read earlier the short answer is no.
Bankruptcy gives you an enormous amount of protection and relief from the constant harassment and the threats that you've been subjected to, and of the type of things that supposedly can and will happen to you.

For your wages to be garnisheed, in a nutshell, the people that you owe money to have to take you to court before they are in a position to do anything to you like they're telling you that they will. Mostly, at the time of reading this, you're months away from real trouble. I f you voluntarily go bankrupt, they can't do this.

Under certain circumstances, your bankruptcy trustee can garnishee your wages if you try to avoid some of your obligations. You'll read about this.

Will my employer be told.

Short answer is no. However if you owe your employer's organisation some money at the time that you become voluntarily bankrupt, then they are a creditor and will be notified in that capacity.

Also, some clients have been issued shares in their employer's business. If you go bankrupt then when your employer is informed that your bankruptcy trustee now controls your share holding, then in that type of circumstance your employer can find out.

Are things as bad as I think they are?

If you consider your options and then decide to take the steps that you'll be shown are available to you in the Information Notes on this website, then mostly you'll probably find that things do not turn out as bad for you as you think that they might.

You'll be able to sleep again. 

Here's an extract from a letter that I received in early 2006.

"Dear Fred, I 'm writing to express my appreciation for your assistance with my personal bankruptcy last November. I was very nervous about the whole thing, but your knowledge and reassurance were most comforting. I now feel like a free woman again and life has taken on a very new complexion for me. Your web site was the first ray of light in a world which had become very dark. Once again, many thanks"

You'll read more testimonials throughouht this website and in Bankruptcy Information Note 6 - Bankruptcy Testimonials. They're all real. 

If you'd like to ask any questions or get some further free information and debt help, then after you've first printed out this website and read it and highlighted the bits where I talk about you, then why not set your thoughts out in an email and send them to hello@fredappleton.com.au and you'll be answered by phone and/or email either by myself or Steve. Make sure that you include your contact phone number please. 

Are there any penalties for going bankrupt?

I've already mentioned the situation with your assets and your income, and that you'll be bankrupt for 3 years. 

You'll also get a bad credit rating with the credit rating agencies for 5 years ie. 3 years of bankruptcy plus two more. Most people tell me that they've already got a bad credit rating anyway, so this is now hardly an issue.

The government's bankruptcy trustee service,AFSA, will enter your name and some details on their database, called the National Personal Insolvency Index, and you're there for life. People hardly ever find this an issue, it’s just overkill.

I cover this in Bankruptcy Information Note 5 - Bankruptcy Assistance.

How do I go bankrupt?

If after reading these Information Notes and emailing for some free debt help and advice at hello@fredappleton.com.au, or calling and you then decide to go bankrupt, I offer 2 main options. They are mentioned below, and explained in Bankruptcy Information Note 5 - Bankruptcy Assistance

For $440 I offer an email Do- I t-Yourself option. This is a good service and full details are in Bankruptcy Information Note 5 - Bankruptcy Assistance

For $880 or thereabouts there is my over the internet email bankruptcy service whereby we send you a series of questionnaires and from your answers sent back to us, my colleague Helen Millward gets the bankruptcy documentation completed. It's been the mainstay of this service for years. It's also available by mail but at an extra $55 fee. There's also a $110 extra fee if your matter requires us to prepare extra pages.  This is not common.  If you need time to pay, just ask.

With each of these services you could ordinarily expect to be bankrupt and out of debt in about a week. 

Gambling, am I in trouble, will I go to jail?

The bankruptcy people don't like it, but I don't know anybody who has gone to jail. Have a look at what I 'I've said in Bankruptcy Information Note 4 - General Bankruptcy Information, and in the Media Releases on the government's bankruptcy website www.afsa.gov.au

After I go bankrupt, can I volunteer to pay my debts?

I regularly hear that people want to pay their debt, but right now they can't. To that I often say that after the 3 years of your bankruptcy is up, you can voluntarily pay your creditors later on if you want to, at a rate that you can afford, say over the next 10 or 20 years. 

You see, with bankruptcy the boot is now on the other foot. You personally no longer legally owe the debt, so your creditors and the second hand debt salesmen can't dictate to you what and when you must pay them. They're not even allowed to try and contact you because with bankruptcy you personally don't have to pay them anything. The awful harassment simply stops. 

As you've read by now, under certain scenarios during the course of your bankruptcy, which is normally 3 years, you may have to make some payments to your bankruptcy trustee from your income during those 3 years (see Bankruptcy Information Note 1 - Your Income), and in some cases you may have an asset which the trustee can sell. Your bankruptcy creditors can only look to your bankruptcy trustee for payment from these funds (if any).

After your bankruptcy is over, although you don't have to, there's nothing to stop you then privately feeling that you can afford to put something aside each pay, and say every 3 months privately declaring a dividend to your creditors. If you do this it can be over whatever period that you want. That's what I did.

If you don't want to do that then you don't have to, nobody can make you, nobody can stop you. Some people tell me that they'd like to. Whether they still feel that way in 3 years time, who knows?

In this way, after your 3 years of bankruptcy, your creditor gets what you can pay him, without others like your bankruptcy trustee, and perhaps the government, taking a big cut first. That's why I say, wait for 3 years.

When I got around to try to repay the banks, if the second hand debt salesmen have got into the act, my feeling was that I need only consider that I owed the bank about 80% to 85% of what I owed them when I went bankrupt.  As far as I was concerned, the second hand debt salesman had "gifted" them the balance.

Now here's something interesting.  In 2009 when I tried to pay the banks back two of them separately sent the cheques back.  They said that as the debt was written off more than 7 years ago, it was illegal for them to take the payment. (I wondered if they simply weren't prepared to tell me that my debt had been on-sold to a second hand debt salesman).

What If The Court Sends Me Bankrupt.

The 3 years of your bankruptcy doesn't start until you've filled out and lodged with whoever has been named as your trustee the form called Statement of Affairs. Sometimes people drag the chain about this, which is mad.

Get the form done and into the trustee asap, so that you can start again to get back on your feet and on with your life. If you'd like us to do the forms for you then my $880 service could do this. Just email hello@fredappleton.com.au and tell Steve that you've been declared bankrupt by the court, and that you'd like him to send you what we call our Questionnaires so that you can get the Statement of Affairs done.

I think that you'll save yourself a lot of grief if you do.

Company Directors and Bankruptcy

Company directors have got a real potential problem if they allow the tax office to issue them with what is called a Director Penalty Notice, making them personally liable for unpaid employee contributions and unpaid superannuation contributions.

Once a company director goes bankrupt, you can no longer be a company director.  There's an ASIC form to complete and lodge, its Form 296, it's called Notification of disqualification from managing corporations----bankruptcy or personal agreement.  If you're a sole director of the company, then on your disqualification, as the company doesn't have a director, it cannot trade, and if it's got no assets, only liabilities, ASIC then cancels its registration, it seems to me that it just goes away. 

Form 296 is also down the right hand side on the Nicholls & Co website at nichollsco.com.au.

If you've got a Pty Limited company with assets that needs winding up then Crouch Amirbeaggi may agree to be your company's liquidator.  Contact Steve about this if you like at hello@fredappleton.com.au to see what he thinks and he can help you here and refer you on.  Our office will still be able to prepare the necessary paperwork for you to go bankrupt.

Do I have to be in Australia to go bankrupt in Australia?

The best thing to do here is send an email to info@afsa.gov.au and ask the government's bankruptcy service what you can do.

Once this has been confirmed we'd be quite happy to do the paperwork for you.  Just email us at hello@fredappleton.com.au and we'll get the paperwork going for you.

In all cases, it seems that you have to be able to establish an Australian connection and it's very hard for people like me to be more specific than that. 

If you have trouble with establishing the Australian connection bit, then we have advised people to get the paperwork done with us while you are still overseas, and then come back, and with your feet physically on the ground here, lodge the paperwork.  Become bankrupt, then apply for permission to leave the country. You'll get the permission, if we think that its likely to be a problem when we do your paperwork, we'll certainly let you know, and try to sort out what's best for you. Allow about 2 weeks to get the permission to return overseas again to be processed.

Is there anything else?

Yes, there is a lot more in the Information Notes to help you. Just save this website in your Favourites, or bookmark it, and in your own time and at your pace, have a good read

No matter how bad you think things are, simply remember that taking one of the options that I cover here will get rid of the debt collectors and their phone calls, you'll be able to sleep again.

You see, bankruptcy enables ordinary people to quickly get out of debt, to get back on their feet, and so be able to get on with their lives. And, it's very private. 

Most of the debt that I see is the result of a period of unemployment or underemployment, or you've been through a period of ill health, or you've been through a relationship breakdown. Using credit as a stopgap measure often leads to what later becomes your overwhelming debt when the payback time arrives before the problem has been solved.

As a general rule you will remain bankrupt for 3 years, although you can make a lesser offer to your creditors after you've gone bankrupt, through your bankruptcy trustee.

Sometimes your reduced offer is accepted, and so you are discharged from bankruptcy in less than three years.

There are occasionally reasons which could cause your bankruptcy to be extended to 5 or 8 years, but they are really an exception, they are not the general rule (see Bankruptcy Information Note 2 - Your Income and Assets).

Thanks for reading this far, I hope that all of this has been of some help. If you're ready to proceed, now read Bankruptcy Information Note 1 - Your Income.

Two other insolvency websites that Steve and I sometimes refer to are:
Nicholls & Co. www.nichollsco.com.au
Crouch Amirbeaggi www.bankruptcy.net.au